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macdaddy Active Indicator LED Icon 14
~ 9 years ago   Jun 1, '14 12:51pm  
I would like point out the following. I could be wrong but as far as I'm aware the soldier in question has not been court martialed or convicted of anything at this point. As such he is still considered innocent as a matter of law. Therefore that made him a prisoner of war in which the U.S. was obligated to do everything possible to secure his freedom.
 
The Commander in Chief fulfilled that responsibility. I'd be willing to wager that most people who wear or have worn the uniform would agree with him.
 
@rocket:
 
I DONT THINK SO ROCKET.... the following is from a soldier that was there...it is from another website i frequent for hunters in Texas.....
 
There are a bunch of us waiting to see how this plays out. Without a doubt when this guy walking off his COP on his own free will, alone, without his weapon, carrying his digital camera and personal diary, he put every US service member in that AO in jeopardy. He signed the contract and took the oath, then when he didn't feel like playing ball anymore he just walked off his post in the night. I'm glad for his family that he has been returned, but an American hero he is not, nor will ever be.
 
I was in Iraq as a platoon leader in 2009 when this happened, and couldn't imagine one of my own soldiers doing this. Fast forward 2 years to 2011 when I was deployed to a remote COP in Eastern Paktika Province, the same province Bergdahl was in when he walked into the hands of the Taliban. This place was the Wild West, and the Haqqani network that we were fighting was the same group that took Bergdahl two years prior. No one in their right mind would willingly walk out and give themselves over to those savages.
 
Rant over.
 
Jake
 
Unfortunately it was not only he and his family who suffered from his decision. The soldiers who were killed by IED's and small arms fire while frantically searching for Bergdahl after he walked off that outpost had families too. His actions not only put additional US troops at risk, but outright got more of our people killed. THIS will have to answered for.
 
I'm sorry, but I can't agree with bringing him home wrapped in the flag, telling him that everything is going to be alright now. 5 years ago he made a decision that resulted in good men dying. He still has to own up for that.
 
Jake
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Pattywiglet Active Indicator LED Icon 1
~ 9 years ago   Jun 1, '14 12:54pm  
Who really cares what OUR congressman think.
 
It's damn if you do and damn if you do not!!
 
You can't win, can you??
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sandman Active Indicator LED Icon 16
~ 9 years ago   Jun 1, '14 12:54pm  
I was happy to see one of our soldiers coming home...
 
Now I think I need to research this to make up my mind...
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rocket Active Indicator LED Icon 15 OP 
~ 9 years ago   Jun 1, '14 12:54pm  

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>> I would like point out the following. I could be wrong but as far as I'm aware the soldier in question has not been court martialed or convicted of anything at this point. As such he is still considered innocent as a matter of law. Therefore that made him a prisoner of war in which the U.S. was obligated to do everything possible to secure his freedom.
 
The Commander in Chief fulfilled that responsibility. I'd be willing to wager that most people who wear or have worn the uniform would agree with him.
 
@rocket:
 
I DONT THINK SO ROCKET.... the following is from a soldier that was there...it is from another website i frequent for hunters in Texas.....
 
There are a bunch of us waiting to see how this plays out. Without a doubt when this guy walking off his COP on his own free will, alone, without his weapon, carrying his digital camera and personal diary, he put every US service member in that AO in jeopardy. He signed the contract and took the oath, then when he didn't feel like playing ball anymore he just walked off his post in the night. I'm glad for his family that he has been returned, but an American hero he is not, nor will ever be.
 
I was in Iraq as a platoon leader in 2009 when this happened, and couldn't imagine one of my own soldiers doing this. Fast forward 2 years to 2011 when I was deployed to a remote COP in Eastern Paktika Province, the same province Bergdahl was in when he walked into the hands of the Taliban. This place was the Wild West, and the Haqqani network that we were fighting was the same group that took Bergdahl two years prior. No one in their right mind would willingly walk out and give themselves over to those savages.
 
Rant over.
 
Jake
 
Unfortunately it was not only he and his family who suffered from his decision. The soldiers who were killed by IED's and small arms fire while frantically searching for Bergdahl after he walked off that outpost had families too. His actions not only put additional US troops at risk, but outright got more of our people killed. THIS will have to answered for.
 
I'm sorry, but I can't agree with bringing him home wrapped in the flag, telling him that everything is going to be alright now. 5 years ago he made a decision that resulted in good men dying. He still has to own up for that.
 
Jake
 
@macdaddy:
 
If you noticed I said MOST not all.
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macdaddy Active Indicator LED Icon 14
~ 9 years ago   Jun 1, '14 12:56pm  
i dont think its MOST at all......you should know first hand, if one of yours walked out of your camp like that, would you be wrapping him in the flag when he was returned?
 
Funny, I believe you would
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rocket Active Indicator LED Icon 15 OP 
~ 9 years ago   Jun 1, '14 1:04pm  
i dont think its MOST at all......you should know first hand, if one of yours walked out of your camp like that, would you be wrapping him in the flag when he was returned?
 
Funny, I believe you would
 
@macdaddy:
 
Again not to go back and forth because it's pointless. Regardless of what I might have thought as an individual, the government of the United States had an obligation to secure this soldiers freedom. As I mentioned he has yet to be convicted of anything. Accordingly he is an innocent man which entitles him to all the influence the federal government brought to bear. It really is simple as that. In regards to the 30 day law requirement maybe the deal would have fell through in that time period, I don't know.
 
What I am sure of is if it came out later that we had a chance to win his freedom and we did not take it, Obama would have been branded as unpatriotic and not caring about the country or its citizens. As Patty W. said this is truly the proverbial damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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macdaddy Active Indicator LED Icon 14
~ 9 years ago   Jun 1, '14 1:10pm  
if anything its good deflection from the VA and Beghazi, the IRS, etc.......
 
hmmmmm there is a thought.....
 
This deal has been in the works for two years but the recent timetable was never disclosed to Congress asa required by law....there is a huge problem there..... but people like yourself and the media will give him a pass
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tb505 Active Indicator LED Icon 11
~ 9 years ago   Jun 1, '14 1:24pm  
I would like to point out the following. I could be wrong but as far as I'm aware the soldier in question has not been court martialed or convicted of anything at this point. As such he is still considered innocent as a matter of law. Therefore that made him a prisoner of war in which the U.S. was obligated to do everything possible to secure his freedom.
 
The Commander in Chief fulfilled that responsibility. I'd be willing to wager that most people who wear or have worn the uniform would agree with him.
 
@rocket:
 
I agree, just as we negotiated with North Vietnam for release of prisoners after we realized we could not win.
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cbp210 Active Indicator LED Icon 12
~ 9 years ago   Jun 1, '14 1:24pm  
I am also concerned that we now have established a precedent of negotiating with terrorists. This is completely contrary to US policy and every soldier knows this. The reasons behind this man leaving his post - he needs to be held accountable for. That is owed to everyone else who wears the uniform.
 
@lana7018:
 
This is no different than prison officials being held hostage by prisoners knowing prison officials will not negotiate special terms for the release of them in return for the safety of the officers. It is a risk that each officer knows just like soldiers.
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tb505 Active Indicator LED Icon 11
~ 9 years ago   Jun 1, '14 1:27pm  

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>> I am also concerned that we now have established a precedent of negotiating with terrorists. This is completely contrary to US policy and every soldier knows this. The reasons behind this man leaving his post - he needs to be held accountable for. That is owed to everyone else who wears the uniform.
 
@lana7018:
 
This is no different than prison officials being held hostage by prisoners knowing prison officials will not negotiate special terms for the release of them in return for the safety of the officers. It is a risk that each officer knows just like soldiers.
 
 
@cbp210:
 
wonder how many would have a different opinion if it were their child.
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cbp210 Active Indicator LED Icon 12
~ 9 years ago   Jun 1, '14 1:28pm  

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>> Rocket
 
I am glad the soldier is coming home and should be with his family. Why politicize this event.
 
@cbp210:
 
The event has already been politicized, chiefly by members of the GOP, which is why I started this thread. You think the article I attached from the Washington Post is a forgery?
 
Well just in case you think I made the whole thing up and fabricated the response from top Republicans just to "politicize" the event on this board, here's another article from CNN
 
cashttp://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/05/31/political-divide-dont-negotiate-with-terrorists-vs-leave-no-man-behind/?hpt=hp_t1e
 
 
 
@rocket:
 
Can you show me in the post where I claimed you made this story up?
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cbp210 Active Indicator LED Icon 12
~ 9 years ago   Jun 1, '14 1:30pm  

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>> I am also concerned that we now have established a precedent of negotiating with terrorists. This is completely contrary to US policy and every soldier knows this. The reasons behind this man leaving his post - he needs to be held accountable for. That is owed to everyone else who wears the uniform.
 
@lana7018:
 
This is no different than prison officials being held hostage by prisoners knowing prison officials will not negotiate special terms for the release of them in return for the safety of the officers. It is a risk that each officer knows just like soldiers.
 

@cbp210:
 
wonder how many would have a different opinion if it were their child.
 
@tb505:
 
I would be devastated but I would understand the risk they took.
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macdaddy Active Indicator LED Icon 14
~ 9 years ago   Jun 1, '14 1:30pm  
his father is a Afghan sympathizer too. attached is a recent tweet he sent out....
 
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cbp210 Active Indicator LED Icon 12
~ 9 years ago   Jun 1, '14 1:32pm  

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>> I would like point out the following. I could be wrong but as far as I'm aware the soldier in question has not been court martialed or convicted of anything at this point. As such he is still considered innocent as a matter of law. Therefore that made him a prisoner of war in which the U.S. was obligated to do everything possible to secure his freedom.
 
The Commander in Chief fulfilled that responsibility. I'd be willing to wager that most people who wear or have worn the uniform would agree with him.
 
@rocket:
 
I DONT THINK SO ROCKET.... the following is from a soldier that was there...it is from another website i frequent for hunters in Texas.....
 
There are a bunch of us waiting to see how this plays out. Without a doubt when this guy walking off his COP on his own free will, alone, without his weapon, carrying his digital camera and personal diary, he put every US service member in that AO in jeopardy. He signed the contract and took the oath, then when he didn't feel like playing ball anymore he just walked off his post in the night. I'm glad for his family that he has been returned, but an American hero he is not, nor will ever be.
 
I was in Iraq as a platoon leader in 2009 when this happened, and couldn't imagine one of my own soldiers doing this. Fast forward 2 years to 2011 when I was deployed to a remote COP in Eastern Paktika Province, the same province Bergdahl was in when he walked into the hands of the Taliban. This place was the Wild West, and the Haqqani network that we were fighting was the same group that took Bergdahl two years prior. No one in their right mind would willingly walk out and give themselves over to those savages.
 
Rant over.
 
Jake
 
Unfortunately it was not only he and his family who suffered from his decision. The soldiers who were killed by IED's and small arms fire while frantically searching for Bergdahl after he walked off that outpost had families too. His actions not only put additional US troops at risk, but outright got more of our people killed. THIS will have to answered for.
 
I'm sorry, but I can't agree with bringing him home wrapped in the flag, telling him that everything is going to be alright now. 5 years ago he made a decision that resulted in good men dying. He still has to own up for that.
 
Jake
 
@macdaddy:
 
Thanks for the information Mac and this is a very important information from other soldiers concerning this person. I was not aware.
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~ 9 years ago   Jun 1, '14 1:49pm  
He did not notify appropriate Congressional persons (anyone wonder why) and released the most dangerous of Taliban terrorists that should never see the light of day. I believe this will get uglier. Treasonous fool.
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