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The Risks - Know Them - Avoid Them

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by: tinytim Active Indicator LED Icon 6 OP 
~ 3 years, 11 mos ago   May 19, '20 1:28pm  
The Risks - Know Them - Avoid Them
 
from Professor Erin Bromage a Comparative Immunologist and Professor of Biology (specializing in Immunology) at the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth. His blog has received over 15 million hits to date and he has been covered in the news. It does a really good job of explaining the risks and under what conditions your chances of exposure greatly increase.
 
www.erinbromage.com/ post/the-risks-know- them-avoid-them 12 minutes read if you are interested
 
In order to get infected you need to get exposed to an infectious dose of the virus; based on infectious dose studies with other coronaviruses, it appears that only small doses may be needed for infection to take hold. Some experts estimate that as few as 1000 SARS-CoV2 infectious viral particles are all that will be needed (ref 1, ref 2). Please note, this still needs to be determined experimentally, but we can use that number to demonstrate how infection can occur. Infection could occur, through 1000 infectious viral particles you receive in one breath or from one eye-rub, or 100 viral particles inhaled with each breath over 10 breaths, or 10 viral particles with 100 breaths. Each of these situations can lead to an infection.
 
Indoor spaces, with limited air exchange or recycled air and lots of people, are concerning from a transmission standpoint. We know that 60 people in a volleyball court-sized room (choir) results in massive infections. Same situation with the restaurant and the call center. Social distancing guidelines don't hold in indoor spaces where you spend a lot of time, as people on the opposite side of the room were infected.
 
The principle is viral exposure over an extended period of time. In all these cases, people were exposed to the virus in the air for a prolonged period (hours). Even if they were 50 feet away (choir or call center), even a low dose of the virus in the air reaching them, over a sustained period, was enough to cause infection and in some cases, death.
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~ 3 years, 11 mos ago   May 19, '20 6:53pm  
The Risks - Know Them - Avoid Them from Professor Erin Bromage a Comparative Immunologist and Professor of Biology (specializing in Immunology) at the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth. His blog has received over 15 million hits to date and he has been covered in the news. It does a really good job of explaining the risks and under what conditions your chances of exposure greatly increase. www.erinbromage.com/ post/the-risks-know- them-avoid-them 12 minutes read if you are interested In order to get infected you need to get exposed to an infectious dose of the virus; based on infectious dose studies with other coronaviruses, it appears that only small doses may be needed for infection to take hold. Some experts estimate that as few as 1000 SARS-CoV2 infectious viral particles are all that will be needed (ref 1, ref 2). Please note, this still needs to be determined experimentally, but we can use that number to demonstrate how infection can occur. Infection could occur, through 1000 infectious viral particles you receive in one breath or from one eye-rub, or 100 viral particles inhaled with each breath over 10 breaths, or 10 viral particles with 100 breaths. Each of these situations can lead to an infection. Indoor spaces, with limited air exchange or recycled air and lots of people, are concerning from a transmission standpoint. We know that 60 people in a volleyball court-sized room (choir) results in massive infections. Same situation with the restaurant and the call center. Social distancing guidelines don't hold in indoor spaces where you spend a lot of time, as people on the opposite side of the room were infected. The principle is viral exposure over an extended period of time. In all these cases, people were exposed to the virus in the air for a prolonged period (hours). Even if they were 50 feet away (choir or call center), even a low dose of the virus in the air reaching them, over a sustained period, was enough to cause infection and in some cases, death.
 
@tinytim : That's an article about SARS just in case someone gets it confused with COVID-19 They are not the same but can be just as deadly.
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tinytim Active Indicator LED Icon 6 OP 
~ 3 years, 11 mos ago   May 19, '20 7:31pm  
tinytim : That's an article about SARS just in case someone gets it confused with COVID-19 They are not the same but can be just as deadly.
 
@chasinghosts : Misinformation is a dangerous thing.
 
Antibody tests to detect exposure to SARS-CoV-2, the virus responsible for COVID-19.
 
SARS-CoV-2 is the scientific name of the virus for COVIF-19. That article is about the coronavirus.
 
Here is an abstract of a scientific artical published 19 May 2020 referring to the same thing.
 
immunology.sciencema g.org/content/5/47/e abc6347
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~ 3 years, 11 mos ago   May 19, '20 7:33pm  
Regarding all of them the key thing most articles doesn't mention is the best practice prior, is good nutrition.
Less than 4% of all COVID-19 deaths were people with sufficient vitamin D levels, over 96% were vitamin D deficient.
It is 100% well known fact vitamin D helps prevent Respiratory Distress Syndrome.
 
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov /pmc/articles/PMC618 6338/
 
www.bmj.com/content/ 356/bmj.i6583
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tinytim Active Indicator LED Icon 6 OP 
~ 3 years, 11 mos ago   May 19, '20 7:34pm  
Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)[2][3] is the strain of coronavirus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), a respiratory illness. Colloquially known as coronavirus, it was previously referred to by its provisional name 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV).
 
en.m.wikipedia.org/w iki/Severe_acute_res piratory_syndrome_co ronavirus_2
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~ 3 years, 11 mos ago   May 19, '20 7:40pm  
Regarding all of them the key thing most articles doesn't mention is the best practice prior, is good nutrition. Less than 4% of all COVID-19 deaths were people with sufficient vitamin D levels, over 96% were vitamin D deficient. It is 100% well known fact vitamin D helps prevent Respiratory Distress Syndrome. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov /pmc/articles/PMC618 6338/ www.bmj.com/content/ 356/bmj.i6583
 
@M1cha3lo0o : I've read the articles you linked and I do not see the 4% number you quote.
 
I also do not see where any claim in either article where it states sufficient vitamin D will prevent you from being infected with the coronavirus. Is there such a claim and I am missing it?
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~ 3 years, 11 mos ago   May 19, '20 7:47pm  
M1cha3lo0o : I've read the articles you linked and I do not see the 4% number you quote. I also do not see where any claim in either article where it states sufficient vitamin D will prevent you from being infected with the coronavirus. Is there such a claim and I am missing it?
 
@tinytim : The articles i linked are prior to 2019 showing what we already knew.
Use google and look up those stats. I wasn't linking anything for those stats.
 
I was not claiming sufficient vitamin D will prevent a viral infection that is crazy talk.
 
"D deficiency is a risk factor for respiratory distress syndrome. In this study, no correlation between gestational age and vitamin D levels was found. However, the incidence of respiratory distress syndrome was significantly higher in preterm babies in severe condition (28%). High levels of vitamin D reduced the risk of respiratory distress syndrome by 3.34 times"
 
Vitamin D is something your body needs to help you not get as ill as you would if you are deficient.
 
It is the equivalent of someone having poor weak bones and scientists trying to make metal casts and exoskeletons to help protect the bones when the whole time they are weak because they are calcium deficient, and they just need to drink some damn milk.
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~ 3 years, 11 mos ago   May 19, '20 7:49pm  
More vitamin D information regarding COVID-19 & COVID-19 deaths.
 
news.northwestern.ed u/stories/2020/05/vi tamin-d-appears-to-p lay-role-in-cov
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~ 3 years, 11 mos ago   May 19, '20 7:50pm  
@M1cha3lo0o : I am well aware of the importance of vitamin D in general and the low levels especially for minorities in America.
 
I was just wondering if there were any claims regarding vitamin D and the coronavirus specifically as I have not seen any studies or claims regarding that.
 
Thanks.
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~ 3 years, 11 mos ago   May 19, '20 7:54pm  
More vitamin D information regarding COVID-19 & COVID-19 deaths. news.northwestern.ed u/stories/2020/05/vi tamin-d-appears-to-p lay-role-in-cov
 
@M1cha3lo0o : Yeah in the article you linked,
 
""While I think it is important for people to know that vitamin D deficiency might play a role in mortality, we don't need to push vitamin D on everybody," said Northwestern's Vadim Backman, who led the research. "This needs further study, and I hope our work will stimulate interest in this area. "
 
It is just an observation is how I interpret it and there has not been any scientific evidence to date to determine anything at this point. I have read this observation before and the same thing that somebody hopes it warrants further research.
 
Thanks.
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~ 3 years, 11 mos ago   May 19, '20 7:57pm  
M1cha3lo0o : I am well aware of the importance of vitamin D in general and the low levels especially for minorities in America. I was just wondering if there were any claims regarding vitamin D and the coronavirus specifically as I have not seen any studies or claims regarding that. Thanks.
 
@tinytim :
 
Oh a few....
 
"Vitamin D linked to low coronavirus death rate"
medicalxpress.com/ne ws/2020-05-vitamin-d -linked-virus-death. html
 
"COVID-19 Deaths Are Being Linked to Vitamin D Deficiency. Here's What That Means"
www.sciencealert.com /covid-deaths-are-be ing-linked-with-vita min-d-deficienc
 
"Covid 19, Vitamin D deficiency, Smoking, Age and Lack of Masks Equals the Perfect Storm"
www.bmj.com/content/ 368/bmj.m810/rr-44
 
"Vitamin D for prevention of respiratory tract infections"
www.who.int/elena/ti tles/commentary/vita mind_pneumonia_child ren/en/
 
"Vitamin D levels appear to play role in COVID-19 mortality rates"
www.sciencedaily.com /releases/2020/05/20 0507121353.htm
 
"The role of Vitamin D in the prevention of Coronavirus Disease 2019 infection and mortality"
www.researchsquare.c om/article/rs-21211/ v1
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~ 3 years, 11 mos ago   May 19, '20 7:59pm  
M1cha3lo0o : Yeah in the article you linked, ""While I think it is important for people to know that vitamin D deficiency might play a role in mortality, we don't need to push vitamin D on everybody," said Northwestern's Vadim Backman, who led the research. "This needs further study, and I hope our work will stimulate interest in this area. " It is just an observation is how I interpret it and there has not been any scientific evidence to date to determine anything at this point. I have read this observation before and the same thing that somebody hopes it warrants further research. Thanks.
 
@tinytim : Correct if you are not Vitamin d deficient you don't need to supplement it. If you are deficient, like 42% of america is you need to fix that problem the exact same as being deficient in any vitamin.
 
Do you know if you are vitamin D deficient?
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~ 3 years, 11 mos ago   May 19, '20 8:01pm  
@tinytim : Vitamin D acts more like a hormone and regulates 15% of your epigenome.
 
"Vitamin D and the epigenome"
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov /pmc/articles/PMC401 0791/
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~ 3 years, 11 mos ago   May 19, '20 8:03pm  
tinytim : Correct if you are not Vitamin d deficient you don't need to supplement it. If you are deficient, like 42% of america is you need to fix that problem the exact same as being deficient in any vitamin. Do you know if you are vitamin D deficient?
 
@M1cha3lo0o : Actually I do. My endocrinologist talked to me about vitamin D deficiency about 3 years ago. Gave me a prescription then after that recommended I take a daily supplement. I take a vitamin D-3 supplement (1000 iu) with K-2 (better absorption) and have been fine since.
 
I read a few of the articles you linked and to quote the first one.
 
"Finally, and importantly, one must remember correlation does not necessarily mean causation."
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~ 3 years, 11 mos ago   May 19, '20 8:10pm  
M1cha3lo0o : Actually I do. My endocrinologist talked to me about vitamin D deficiency about 3 years ago. Gave me a prescription then after that recommended I take a daily supplement. I take a vitamin D-3 supplement (1000 iu) with K-2 (better absorption) and have been fine since. I read a few of the articles you linked and to quote the first one. "Finally, and importantly, one must remember correlation does not necessarily mean causation."
 
@tinytim : The good thing is regardless everyone should worry about being vitamin D deficient and if they are or not.
There is no reason to be.
We know it helps with respiratory issues, there should be more talk about making sure people are healthy in the first place.
But that isn't what provides companies with $$$.
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~ 3 years, 11 mos ago   May 19, '20 8:13pm  
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@M1cha3lo0o : here is the one I take. Just curious which brand do you take. I never met anybody else that actually takes a vitamin d supplement.
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