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cbp210 Active Indicator LED Icon 12
~ 7 years ago   Aug 29, '16 2:06pm  
Beach I want the Jersey. I could always use new targets at the range.
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757beach Active Indicator LED Icon 14 OP 
~ 7 years ago   Aug 29, '16 3:12pm  
Noooo, I am going to the range wed. Wish me good luck.
 
Not shooting at the jersey.
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HumbleGirl Active Indicator LED Icon 15
~ 7 years ago   Aug 29, '16 6:01pm  
Pretty brave of him to stand up for what he believes at such great personal cost.
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757beach Active Indicator LED Icon 14 OP 
~ 7 years ago   Aug 29, '16 6:35pm  
I thought about it.
 
Kaepernick took his time to react to how he felt. He didn't go out on the streets , he did a silent protest. He bought awareness to something he truly feels.
 
Prince spoke up too. However was not crucified in the media. Prince gave millions to blm and people never burn his cd.
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nikkiole Active Indicator LED Icon 11 Forum Moderator
~ 7 years ago   Aug 29, '16 7:23pm  
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cbp210 Active Indicator LED Icon 12
~ 7 years ago   Aug 29, '16 9:58pm  
In a serious note. I support every decision he is making and his stance and his beliefs. He does have every right to his opinions. I also expect him and the niners to support my decision to not buy their products.Now I am a true Texan loyalist.
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HumbleGirl Active Indicator LED Icon 15
~ 7 years ago   Aug 30, '16 7:48am  
Y'all have probably seen this post making the Facebook rounds from Jim Wright, US Navy, Retired.
 
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color. To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."
 
I've been away from the internet all day.
 
I came home from a family picnic on the Blackwater River to find my inbox, as usual, overflowing like a ripe Port-O-Pottie.
 
One of the first messages I read was about 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick, quoted above, who last Friday night at the beginning of a preseason game suddenly decided to become the most hated man in America du jour by deliberately not standing for the National Anthem.
 
Yes, that's right, a football player didn't stand for the National Anthem.
 
As you know, this means Kaepernick is scum, a horrible human being, a likely member of ISIS, a Muslim terrorist, a black thug, a communist, a socialist (and not the cool share your weed Bernie Sanders kind of socialist but the Red Brigade kind of Socialist who sleeps under a poster of Chairman Mao), a radical, a Black Panther, and he probably has Fidel Castro's phone number in his contact favorites.
 
Yeah. Okay.
 
I answered the message and went on to the next one.
 
The next message was about Kaepernick. As was the next one. And the next one. And...
 
They all begin pretty much the same way: Jim, AS A VETERAN, what do you think about this? Well?
 
Let me answer all the messages at once
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AS A VETERAN, what do I think about Colin Kaepernick's decision to sit during the National Anthem?
 
As a veteran?
 
Very well, as a veteran then, this is what I believe:
 
The very first thing I learned in the military is this: Respect is a two-way street. If you want respect, true respect, sincere respect, then you have to GIVE IT.
 
If you want respect, you have to do the things necessary to earn it each and every single day. There are no short cuts and no exceptions.
 
Respect cannot be compelled.
 
Respect cannot be bought.
 
Respect cannot be inherited.
 
Respect cannot be demanded at the muzzle of a gun or by beating it into somebody or by shaming them into it. Can not. You might get what you think is respect, but it's not. It's only the appearance of respect. It's fear, it's groveling, it's not respect. Far, far too many people both in and out of the military, people who should emphatically know better, do not understand this simple fact: there is an enormous difference between fear and respect.
 
Respect has to be earned.
 
Respect. Has. To. Be. Earned.
 
Respect has to be earned every day, by every word, by every action.
 
It takes a lifetime of words and deeds to earn respect.
 
It takes only one careless word, one thoughtless action, to lose it.
 
You have to be worthy of respect. You have to live up to, or at least do your best to live up to, those high ideals -- the ones America supposedly embodies, that shining city on the hill, that exceptional nation we talk about, yes, that one. To earn respect you have to be fair. You have to have courage. You must embrace reason. You have to know when to hold the line and when to compromise. You have to take responsibility and hold yourself accountable. You have to keep your word. You have to give respect, true respect, to get it back.
 
There are no short cuts. None.
 
Now, any veteran worth the label should know that. If they don't, then likely they weren't much of a soldier to begin with and you can tell them I said so.
 
IF Kaepernick doesn't feel his country respects him enough for him to respect it in return, well, then you can't MAKE him respect it.
 
You can not make him respect it.
 
If you try to force a man to respect you, you'll only make him respect you less.
 
With threats, by violence, by shame, you can maybe compel Kaepernick to stand up and put his hand over his heart and force him to be quiet. You might.
 
But that's not respect.
 
It's only the illusion of respect.
 
You might force this man into the illusion of respect. You might. Would you be satisfied then? Would that make you happy? Would that make you respect your nation, the one which forced a man into the illusion of respect, a nation of little clockwork patriots all pretending satisfaction and respect? Is that what you want? If THAT's what matters to you, the illusion of respect, then you're not talking about freedom or liberty. You're not talking about the United States of America. Instead you're talking about every dictatorship from the Nazis to North Korea where people are lined up and MADE to salute with the muzzle of a gun pressed to the back of their necks.
 
That, that illusion of respect, is not why I wore a uniform.
 
That's not why I held up my right hand and swore the oath and put my life on the line for my country.
 
That, that illusion of respect, is not why I am a veteran.
 
Not so a man should be forced to show respect he doesn't feel.
 
That's called slavery and I have no respect for that at all.
 
If Americans want this man to respect America, then first they must respect him.
 
If America wants the world's respect, it must be worthy of respect.
 
America must be worthy of respect. Torture, rendition, indefinite detention, unarmed black men shot down in the street every day, poverty, inequality, voter suppression, racism, bigotry in every form, obstructionism, blind patriotism, NONE of those things are worthy of respect from anybody -- least of all an American.
 
But doesn't it also mean that if Kaepernick wants respect, he must give it first? Give it to America? Be worthy of respect himself? Stand up, shut up, and put his hand over his heart before Old Glory?
 
No. It doesn't.
 
Respect doesn't work that way.
 
Power flows from positive to negative. Electricity flows from greater potential to lesser.
 
The United States isn't a person, it's a vast construct, a framework of law and order and civilization designed to protect the weak from the ruthless and after more than two centuries of revision and refinement it exists to provide in equal measure for all of us the opportunity for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The United States is POWER.
 
All the power rests with America. Just as it does in the military chain of command. And like that chain of command, like the electrical circuit described above, respect must flow from greater to lesser FIRST before it can return.
 
To you the National Anthem means one thing, to Kaepernick it means something else. We are all shaped and defined by our experiences and we see the world through our own eyes. That's freedom. That's liberty. The right to believe differently. The right to protest as you will. The right to demand better. The right to believe your country can BE better, that it can live up to its sacred ideals, and the right to loudly note that it has NOT. The right to use your voice, your actions, to bring attention to the things you believe in. The right to want more for others, freedom, liberty, justice, equality, and RESPECT.
 
A true veteran might not agree with Colin Kaepernick, but a true veteran would fight to the death to protect his right to say what he believes.
 
You don't like what Kaepernick has to say? Then prove him wrong, BE the nation he can respect.
 
It's really just that simple.
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redneck roy Active Indicator LED Icon 13
~ 7 years ago   Aug 30, '16 7:48am  
Kaepernick does have every right to his opinion. He is brave for taking a stance. Although I find it completely disrespectful - ad insulting to many; it is his freedom of speech. It is his words that I find more offensive - - having read some of the garbage he is pushing.
 
that is also his right as freedom of speech.
 
people will speak in response via their pocketbooks; and the 49ers may well lose quite a bit of fan base through their tolerance of his expressions and their perception of support.
 
it is a business decision they have to make and stand behind and will suffer one way or the other.
 
the other consideration is the huge distraction from the game and team focus; that alone should be enough for the management to squash this immediately.
 
ideology is great - but money talks
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SteelerNation Active Indicator LED Icon 8
~ 7 years ago   Aug 30, '16 8:35am  
Story changing. Is he a Muslim convert? Is he really having a full Islam wedding? Is his stance, so to speak, really a stance against Christianity and Americans and not black oppression? Where there is smoke, there is fire. These may or may not be tumors. Time will tell. I don't care if he sits for the right reasons. It's the other reasons that will bother me.
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757beach Active Indicator LED Icon 14 OP 
~ 7 years ago   Aug 30, '16 8:36am  
This started off as a joke to give we away tokens.
 
Oh well. I'll jump in.
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757beach Active Indicator LED Icon 14 OP 
~ 7 years ago   Aug 30, '16 8:38am  
Well , I don't see these couch potatoes standing up during superbowl. Half of yall are posting during the national anthem.
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~ 7 years ago   Aug 30, '16 9:24am  
kaepernak lost his mass and his platform for 'standing up' will be pulled this season, then he can sit permanently.
 
looks like he's been sitting on something in the movie theaters out there in San Fran
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757beach Active Indicator LED Icon 14 OP 
~ 7 years ago   Aug 30, '16 9:28am  
Like every other American on the couch during the national anthem
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ginx Active Indicator LED Icon 11
~ 7 years ago   Aug 30, '16 9:37am  
and him during the off season
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757beach Active Indicator LED Icon 14 OP 
~ 7 years ago   Aug 30, '16 9:44am  
And the drunks at the sports bar.
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