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Atascocita888 Top Forum Contributor4.1 yrs
~ 1 day, 7 hrs ago    
Ineligible Foreigners with Commercial Driver's Licenses Killed Over 30 Americans Last Year
Every time I travel on 45 headed to Dallas, I look at each semi with a different perspective. Years ago (back in the 70s), I always thought truck drivers were great drivers. I knew some of them; some were family. Obama is partly to blame, which I didn't know until reading this article.
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BuckWild Top Forum Contributor8.1 yrs
~ 1 day, 2 hrs ago    
@Atascocita888 :
So that begs the question: Are those drivers disproportionately dangerous compared to drivers in general? If not, then taking them off the road shouldn't have any statistical difference in road safety.
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Catmae Top Forum Contributor11.8 yrs
~ 1 day, 2 hrs ago    
Are those drivers are disproportionately dangerous compared to drivers in general? #msg2197955
 
@BuckWild : Uh, what?
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ParksideRes Online Top Forum Contributor9.8 yrs
~ 1 day, 2 hrs ago    
BuckWild : Uh, what? #msg2197957
 
@Catmae : it's a valid question.
 
The article says "illegal" drivers killed 30 Americans last year
 
In the last year, 5340 people total have been killed in the US by commercial vehicles.
 
Maybe we should look at standards and enforcement of the job too, not just where the person came from.
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Catmae Top Forum Contributor11.8 yrs
~ 1 day, 2 hrs ago    
@ParksideRes :
 
Who rang your bell?
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ParksideRes Online Top Forum Contributor9.8 yrs
~ 1 day, 1 hr ago    
ParksideRes : Who rang your bell? #msg2197959
 
@Catmae : statistics.
 
Let's look at the numbers.
 
There are about 3.5 million active commercial drivers in the United States. Approximately 150,000 may be illegal.
 
When you run the numbers, there are more deaths per driver in the 'legal' than "illegal" category.
 
Any death is too much, don't get me wrong on that.
 
But the numbers show that the greater impact would be on driver education, not enforcement on where they're from.
 
If we truly want safer roads, education is the key. And better education and licensing helps both ways.
 
What makes your home more structurally sound? Patching the cracks on the wall over a few years, or actually going and fixing the foundation so that those cracks don't happen?
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BuckWild Top Forum Contributor8.1 yrs
~ 1 day, 0 hrs ago    
BuckWild : Uh, what? #msg2197957
 
@Catmae :
Sorry. Think of it like this. Let's say there are blue cars and red cars. If both groups crash at the same rate, then taking blue cars off the road won't improve safety.
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BuckWild Top Forum Contributor8.1 yrs
~ 1 day, 0 hrs ago    
@ParksideRes :
Exactly! That's basically what I was trying to point out. The article isn't about safety at all. They're just trying to enrage people that are already angry about illegal immigration.
 
And their argument makes zero logical sense! But, they know their readers will swallow anything so why bother making an effort?
 
The Simpsons taught me that statistics can be used to prove anything. 40% of all people know that!
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Atascocita888 Top Forum Contributor4.1 yrs
~ 15 hrs ago    
Bottomline…..if you can't speak English, can't read signs, don't know what the signs mean you shouldn't be driving a big rig on the highway. It may hurt your feelings but if you are here illegally you shouldn't be. That simple, you shouldn't be. Seems you have admitted we already have enough stupid people here legally that shouldn't be driving a big rig but let's not add to the problem cause you are for illegals coming here.
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redneckroy Top Forum Contributor16.1 yrs
~ 15 hrs ago    
Driving skills are completely unrelated to language proficiency.
 
Signs have shapes and colors, in addition to the words.
 
Things that allow me to drive in Mexico.
 
Driving assist devices translate
 
Nafta introduced Mexican trucks and drivers to US roads. I thought that was a terrible idea and still do, legislation that helped the economy while negatively impacting highway safety.
 
Go after the damn taxi/ride share drivers.
 
Oh and the example they used in the article of a minivan rear ending a semi? I'm pretty sure if you drive under a semi from behind because you failed to notice that big ****** stopped in your travel lane you might share some fault
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ParksideRes Online Top Forum Contributor9.8 yrs
~ 15 hrs ago    
if you can't speak English, can't read signs, don't know what the signs mean you shouldn't be driving a big rig on the highway. #msg2197982
 
@Atascocita888 : How many of those are attributed to not being able to read a sign? Missed that part of the research.
 
You still must be able to identify the road signs and their meaning to get the CDL. It tells us the pass rate is lower for non native English speakers, but those who do pass were able to identify the meaning of the signs.
 
Should Americans be banned from driving in countries that don't speak English?
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Atascocita888 Top Forum Contributor4.1 yrs
~ 14 hrs ago    
article of a minivan rear ending a semi #msg2197983
 
@redneckroy : Did you not see this accident on TV? It was all over the news. The driver was trying to do a u-turn on a major highway. You can see the van in the shot before it hit the bed.
 


Video Title: Truck driver makes illegal U-turn, killing 3 on Florida highway
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ParksideRes Online Top Forum Contributor9.8 yrs
~ 14 hrs ago    
redneckroy : Did you not see this accident on TV? It was all over the news. The driver was trying to do a u-turn on a major highway. You can see the van in the shot before it hit the bed. Video Title: Truck driver makes illegal U-turn, killing 3 on Florida highway #msg2197986
 
@Atascocita888 : Yes, we've seen this.
 
The point is even US Citizen drivers have done this.
 
Over 5000 people killed in the US the last year by commercial vehicles.
 
The real question is: Why are you only outraged by 30 of them instead of all of them?
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redneckroy Top Forum Contributor16.1 yrs
~ 14 hrs ago    
@Atascocita888 :
Yes - we've all seen the video and we've all had semi drivers cut us off.
 
Situational awareness saves lives
 
The national origin of the driver is not directly connected to his driving ability.
 
Probably work on overall truck safety and CDL standards.
 
Btw, I had a CDL for a time.
 
We need truck drivers, I don't hear a lot of unemployed skilled drivers complaining about being replaced by immigrants.
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ParksideRes Online Top Forum Contributor9.8 yrs
~ 14 hrs ago    
@redneckroy :
There are lots of truckers complaining that the immigrants are erasing the shortage.
 
When there's a driver shortage, the rates for haulage is much higher.
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