Don't miss what's happening in Atascocita
People on Atascocita.com are the first to know.
Go to top of page
Close
 
Close
Back

Removed By Request.

Removed By Request.

123»
« Back
This discussion has been locked.
What are your thoughts? Log in or sign up to comment
Replies:
Message Menu
nikkiole Active Indicator LED Icon 11 Forum Moderator  OP 
~ 9 years ago   Nov 20, '14 9:50pm  
[ Removed By Request. ]
* Reactions disabled on political threads.
Message Menu
nikkiole Active Indicator LED Icon 11 Forum Moderator  OP 
~ 9 years ago   Nov 20, '14 10:01pm  
[ Removed By Request. ]
* Reactions disabled on political threads.
Message Menu
cbp210 Active Indicator LED Icon 12
~ 9 years ago   Nov 20, '14 10:17pm  

- - - - - - - -
>>
- - - - - - - -
>> And if anyone would like to explain how this is different from the 1986(?) Immigration overhaul where about 3 million illigal immigrants were allowed to stay?
 
@nikkiole:
 
Assuming this is a serious question, the 1986 Simpson-Mazzoli Act was a negotiated act of Congress, split at the time between a Republican Senate and Democrat House.....signed into law by Pres Reagan. The difference is obvious, the follow on EO from Reagan and Bush were clarifications to exemptions under the Act. Tonight's announcement enjoys no prior Congressional action. Hope that helps
 
That said, I still think the Pres is good to go on this....and frankly, it doesn't change the situation on the ground much So far, we're not passing out citizenships, etc. And it won't register a tiny ripple in economic benefits to the country. I say that with one caveat....I've not seen the language in the EO. The Pres has a habit of being unable to reconcile his words with actions.......i.e. despite assurances, I've had to change two long time doctors for instance. But, with this hedge, I contend this was high order grandstanding.
 
A big question is what to do with the 8million illegals who don't fall under tonites announced guidelines.
 

@Clydepuckett:
 
Thank you.
So, in your opinion, why do you think so many people are under the impression that what the president is doing is illegal? And if it is indeed not, then surely the Republican leaders know this as well? And if so, that leads to my second question: if they know this, then why are they continuing the idea that what the president is doing is illegal and that they are going to try and make sure he is punished for what he's doing?
 
@nikkiole:
 
This is my opinion. Whether it is illegal or not he is going against the will of the American people who do not want him to take this action.
* Reactions disabled on political threads.
Message Menu
Clydepuckett Active Indicator LED Icon 11
~ 9 years ago   Nov 20, '14 10:18pm  
Well Nik, I suppose one good grandstand play deserves another. LOL
 
In all seriousness, In my opinion the opposition was mainly to insure that the EO wouldn't go too far. And I don't believe it did,,,..hell I'm reading tonite that Latino organizations are disappointed in the lack of teeth in it.
 
But, all it really did was narrowly define the deportation rules. It's one of my main irritations with this administration.....drag the country thru a messy debate only to get nowhere.
 
And sadly, it may have dealt a fatal blow to fixing a really bad current immigration system.
* Reactions disabled on political threads.
Message Menu
macdaddy Active Indicator LED Icon 14
~ 9 years ago   Nov 20, '14 10:31pm  
his last two years are gonna be miserable....for him
* Reactions disabled on political threads.
Message Menu
nikkiole Active Indicator LED Icon 11 Forum Moderator  OP 
~ 9 years ago   Nov 20, '14 10:36pm  
[ Removed By Request. ]
* Reactions disabled on political threads.
Message Menu
Clydepuckett Active Indicator LED Icon 11
~ 9 years ago   Nov 20, '14 10:41pm  
his last two years are gonna be miserable....for him
 
@macdaddy:
 
That's really sad, too. Cuz some of the best legislation in my lifetime came from compromises made by Presidents negotiating with Congress headed by the opposition party, But this Pres doesn't seem to have that gene.
 
Can't disagree with you Mac. Wish it were otherwise
* Reactions disabled on political threads.
Message Menu
macdaddy Active Indicator LED Icon 14
~ 9 years ago   Nov 20, '14 10:46pm  
its called arrogance clyde......
 
This President wants it his way, his way only and does not compromise.....
 
Can you show me anytime the president compromised on anything with repubs?
 
IMO I believe he thinks he is a monarch........
* Reactions disabled on political threads.
Message Menu
nikkiole Active Indicator LED Icon 11 Forum Moderator  OP 
~ 9 years ago   Nov 20, '14 10:49pm  
[ Removed By Request. ]
* Reactions disabled on political threads.
Message Menu
macdaddy Active Indicator LED Icon 14
~ 9 years ago   Nov 20, '14 11:02pm  
real funny
* Reactions disabled on political threads.
Message Menu
Clydepuckett Active Indicator LED Icon 11
~ 9 years ago   Nov 20, '14 11:03pm  
Monarchs got things done back up in the day (1500s day) Emoticon
 
@nikkiole:
 
And a certain group of people in the 1700's rejected a monarch. Developed a certain distaste for tea.Emoticon
 
I'm bowing out here gang and goin to bed,.... Enjoyed the discussion,....well done folks.
* Reactions disabled on political threads.
Message Menu
nikkiole Active Indicator LED Icon 11 Forum Moderator  OP 
~ 9 years ago   Nov 20, '14 11:29pm  
[ Removed By Request. ]
* Reactions disabled on political threads.
Message Menu
cbp210 Active Indicator LED Icon 12
~ 9 years ago   Nov 21, '14 12:03am  

- - - - - - - -
>>
- - - - - - - -
>>
- - - - - - - -
>>
- - - - - - - -
>> And if anyone would like to explain how this is different from the 1986(?) Immigration overhaul where about 3 million illigal immigrants were allowed to stay?
 
@nikkiole:
 
Assuming this is a serious question, the 1986 Simpson-Mazzoli Act was a negotiated act of Congress, split at the time between a Republican Senate and Democrat House.....signed into law by Pres Reagan. The difference is obvious, the follow on EO from Reagan and Bush were clarifications to exemptions under the Act. Tonight's announcement enjoys no prior Congressional action. Hope that helps
 
That said, I still think the Pres is good to go on this....and frankly, it doesn't change the situation on the ground much So far, we're not passing out citizenships, etc. And it won't register a tiny ripple in economic benefits to the country. I say that with one caveat....I've not seen the language in the EO. The Pres has a habit of being unable to reconcile his words with actions.......i.e. despite assurances, I've had to change two long time doctors for instance. But, with this hedge, I contend this was high order grandstanding.
 
A big question is what to do with the 8million illegals who don't fall under tonites announced guidelines.
 

@Clydepuckett:
 
Thank you.
So, in your opinion, why do you think so many people are under the impression that what the president is doing is illegal? And if it is indeed not, then surely the Republican leaders know this as well? And if so, that leads to my second question: if they know this, then why are they continuing the idea that what the president is doing is illegal and that they are going to try and make sure he is punished for what he's doing?
 
@nikkiole:
 
This is my opinion. Whether it is illegal or not he is going against the will of the American people who do not want him to take this action.
 

@cbp210:
 
"Whether it's illegal or not"? Do you know for sure if it is? Because if it isn't illegal, and you don't think it is, you could have fooled me.
 
As for me, I have been trying to find any indication that what the president has done is "illegal." Ill advised, dumb, divisive, we can argue all those points, but "illegal"? Or was that just some talking points picked up by people that so dislike the President, they're willing to chant the word without really realizing what they're saying?
 
Dunno. Seems like something I would be 100% sure about before I put it out there.
 
@nikkiole:
 
I will say he walking a thin line on this one which can go either ways and now I can see why he waited till after the mid term elections.
* Reactions disabled on political threads.
Message Menu
lynnsgirl Active Indicator LED Icon 12
~ 9 years ago   Nov 21, '14 6:41am  

- - - - - - - -
>> ooo he's slick alright all that grease in his hair
 
@lynnsgirl:
 
....he needs that.
 
@nikkiole:
 
You really made me smile this am!!!! Seriously...lol
* Reactions disabled on political threads.
Message Menu
redneck roy Active Indicator LED Icon 13
~ 9 years ago   Nov 21, '14 7:24am  
...and frankly, it doesn't change the situation on the ground much So far, we're not passing out citizenships, etc. And it won't register a tiny ripple in economic benefits to the country. I say that with one caveat....I've not seen the language in the EO. The Pres has a habit of being unable to reconcil
 
 
@Clydepuckett:
 
Yep - been bouncing this around a bit - there has been no real plans to deport all the illegals anyway....
 
Nobody in congress is willing to touch it.
 
it might allow a few to get on the tax roles.
 
it might be a play for future votes - or just merely a grand effort to disenchant to hispanic community to the republican party.
 
otherwise - doesn't change much - what Obama doesn't understand is that for every special interest vote he fights to draw to his party - he drives away two moderates.
* Reactions disabled on political threads.
123»
This discussion has been locked.
« Back to Main Page
Views: 1,379
# Replies: 34

Madd Air-Heating and Cooling
 
K's Autohaus Logo JMP Wines Logo Your Junk Our Trunk Logo Prestige Cleaning Professionals Logo Kingwood Spaces Logo AFC Urgent Care Humble Logo VCA Kingwood Animal Hospital Logo Agape Garage Doors, LLC Logo K & S Sportswear Logo T & K Electric Logo River Rock Pools Logo K&M ACE Hardware Logo Best Investments Siding & Windows Logo Superior Janitorial Services Logo Advanced Appliance Repair Logo
Sponsor an ad Sponsor an Ad »