@rocket: Smart gun technology is a flawed technology even law enforcement is asking to be exempt from this process if it should ever pass. I am not willing to put my life and trust in this buck rodger technology. All death threats are wrong and are never condoned but you will have a few whackos out there but that should be no ways to lump us all into the same category. CA where this shooting took place has the strictest gun control in the nation where they do have 10 day waiting periods and approved list of certain handguns to buy but that did not stop the subject from committing his carnage along with a knife and car. www.newsmax.com/Lowe llPonte/Smart-Guns-S econd-Amendment/2014 /02/24/id/55435oag.ca.gov/firearms/ pubfaqswww.calgunlaws.com/s mart-guns-are-dumb/

@rocket,If manufacturers think there is enough demand for smart guns, and decide to offer them, and you want to buy them, go ahead, that is your choice... that does not affect me a bit. Now, if this is going to be imposed on all of us, especially if by some government regulation, then no thank you. I should be able to get my guns "dumb" just as you should be able to get yours smart. Not sure about gun dealers been harassed... haven't heard the story, so if that happened, I would like to read the link...So, Rodger's mental health issues had to be documented as he was apparently under treatment. This is from CNN:
www.cnn.com/2014/05/ 25/justice/californi a-shooting-deaths/underscores added...So, we don't have all the facts here... don't know exactly what the diagnostic was, what was the treatment, where he was been seen, but sounds like some record must have existed. The really huge question here is really, when these cases become reportable to NICS, how fast the records can be reviewed, approved, submitted and posted on the database... and how do we differentiate between a potential dangerous person vs someone with just an eating disorder that won't harm a thing (unless you're covered in chocolate).

we should ban all guns and switch to Zorg ZF-1
"It's light; handle's adjustable for easy carrying; good for righties and lefties; breaks down into four parts; undetectable by X-ray; ideal for quick discreet interventions. A word on firepower. Titanium recharger; 3000-round clip with bursts of 3 to 300. With the replay button, another Zorg invention, it's even easier. One shot and replay sends every following shot to the same location. And to finish the job, all the Zorg oldies-but-goldies. Rocket launcher, arrow launcher, with exploding or poisonous gas heads, very practical, our famous net launcher, the always-efficient flamethrower, my favorite, and for the grand finale, the all-new Ice-cube System."

Smart guns are a great concept; as with any new technology - improvements will develop over time. definitely not for everyone - but they should have their niche market; too bad the NRA is so intent on preventing the advancement/marketing of the technology.The parents saw multile Utube videos and recognized the danger - therapist recognized the danger - authorities were warned. however they did not see any of the social media or utube postings until after the killings; so I wonder - is/should there be an obligation for law enforcement to investigate online threats? Should a simple face to face conversation with suspect have been enough? Given the media reports - do you think law enforcement dropped the ball in this case; or was it simply a matter that they fulfilled their duties as far as far as not having a need to monitor or investigate online activities.

@traxla: Link from my post on the first page of this thread concerning harassment of gun dealerwww.alaskadispatch.c om/article/20140503/ death-threats-stop-g un-store-sellinSecondly, I agree with you the new technology should be used by choice not mandate.

@redneck roy,The NRA is not preventing technology from advancing... just want to prevent this new/unproved/flawed technology (at this moment) to be imposed on all of us. If the technology is so great, then perhaps the Secret Service can be an early adopter and help get all the bugs out of the system. I rather stay old-school and use dumb guns.In this particular case, the family should have come forward to authorities and report the murderer as a dangerous person... I don't think they did that... having the cops show up at his place to see if he was OK is different than turning evidence against him and have the cops come to pick him up.Though situation to be in... yeah, having to turn in your own son... not easy... but that was the right thing to do here.

@rocket: thanks for re-posting... I missed the link. I do not support such statements, harassment and threats... as I said, let the market decide what is the future of this technology... investors willing to take a risk and bring it to market... buyers wanting the goods... I'm fine with that

@traxla: Don't know how the family contact with the police relayed the concerns; I bet the account is drastically different whether reported from the family or from the police; and surely far from what is reported in the press.Since it has been reported that the family notified police following the Utube posts - you would think that would have been part of the conversation with the police - justifying the need fo a welfare check. After all - don't you think if a family requested a welfare check - the "why" question would have come up?

@traxla: Don't know how the family contact with the police relayed the concerns; I bet the account is drastically different whether reported from the family or from the police; and surely far from what is reported in the press.Since it has been reported that the family notified police following the Utube posts - you would think that would have been part of the conversation with the police - justifying the need fo a welfare check. After all - don't you think if a family requested a welfare check - the "why" question would have come up?
[quote-end-tag-mismatch]@redneck roy: I agree with you in that I can't imagine that the why question didn't come up. If not then it was remiss on the parents part. If the parents did in fact tell the police the full story then perhaps they were in error. I suppose we'll have to wait for more information.In general there is probably a high standard placed on local law enforcement before they can take someone in for involuntary mental evaluation. Police Officers are normally not provided adequate training to deal with mentally ill subjects in the first place. Also it's always hard in these cases to determine whether the person is truly mentally ill or just plain evil. The problem is medical science has no definition for evil as that connotation would by extension be faith based. So if an individual can hold a rational conversation with an officer and tell them what year it is and who's president they're probably going to be let go.The only additional element that could be added in this equation is law enforcement reviewing a persons social media postings. But I can already hear the cry from civil libertarians about the invasion of privacy by the government. This is one of those situations in my view where law enforcement is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't.

@redneck roy: So, here comes the gun control BS again...

www.washingtontimes. com/news/2014/jun/10 /obama-says-america- should-be-ashamSo, is he going to propose we implement the Australian gun control model? Let's see how many Democrats that are up for reelection in November jump behind this...

I am not sure what all the fuss is about. If we are going to rise up and get all bent out of shape and propose tighter laws and controls let's start with something that hits a little closer to home and actually kills more people. Let's talk about alcohol. Statistically speaking drunk drivers kill more people than guns do. I know more people affected by alcohol then I do by guns. Lets do something about that. Instead we got people getting off with killing people because they were drunk. My cousin who just turned 40 is disabled for life because of a drunk driver and this happened 3 years ago. I would like to see tighter laws and penalties for that then I would for guns. Let's see do I want to tackle the bigger killer first or the hot topic first?At the end of the day, there is not a big difference between those who choose to drink and drive versus the person who goes on a killing spree. The drunk driver just kills more people. I am not saying not to drink, I am just saying don't drink and drive. I am not saying don't buy a gun, just don't go off killing people. It's the same argument to me. Actually now that I am thinking about it, why is there not a database that is easily tapped into for people that have DWIs? If you have a DWI on your record you are no longer allowed to purchase beer. That is the same concept with buying a gun. Hmmm........ I might actually have to start putting some thought into this.

Oregon kid had a rifle, handgun, knife, and 9 loaded magazines that he got from his home, "circumventing his family's security measures".Military family, 6 kids, devout Mormans, desired to be a soldier himself.I wonder what went wrong.

@HumbleGirlI wonder what went wrong too... some have started blaming the parents. I wonder why?I also wonder what were the "family's security measures," as seems like he easily by-passed them. www.nbcnews.com/news /us-news/oregon-poli ce-say-school-shoote r-was-15-year-o

Parents are always blamed. Always.