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iamfaithfulbeliever Active Indicator LED Icon 1
~ 10 years ago   Dec 14, '13 4:19pm  
I think the POS POTUS knew he was lying.
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bbk Active Indicator LED Icon 11
~ 10 years ago   Dec 14, '13 5:49pm  
Well of course you do !
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niceguy Active Indicator LED Icon 13 OP 
~ 10 years ago   Dec 15, '13 2:23pm  
 
I think the POS POTUS knew he was lying.
 
 
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Unfortunately, I DON'T think he knew. I think he is just that out of touch with what he was/is promoting. Since no one was allowed to read the bill before it was passed into law ("You can read it after you pass it" - Nancy Pelosi), no one really knew what was going to happen. No one bothered to consult with the insurance companies to see how they would react. No one checked to see what would happen if the number of people signing up did not hit the numbers they expected. No one checked to see how long it would take to set up a website that could handle the volume of hits it is getting. They were so focused on stuffing nationalized health care down the throats of America, no one bothered to see if it would work.
 
I truly believe that, after Congress steps in and retracts significant portions of the health care bill that cannot work, this entire episode will become a mandatory case study in universities around the world in how NOT to create legislation!
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macdaddy Active Indicator LED Icon 14
~ 10 years ago   Dec 15, '13 3:03pm  
Step 1.... DO NOT ELECT DEMOCRATS
 
At least the next President can actually blame Obana for the mess HE inherits
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nikkiole Active Indicator LED Icon 11 Forum Moderator
~ 10 years ago   Dec 15, '13 3:52pm  
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macdaddy Active Indicator LED Icon 14
~ 10 years ago   Dec 15, '13 4:41pm  
Y'all are still blaming bush.... So fair is fair...
We will have a minimum 5 years to blame Obama
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nikkiole Active Indicator LED Icon 11 Forum Moderator
~ 10 years ago   Dec 15, '13 4:42pm  
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niceguy Active Indicator LED Icon 13 OP 
~ 10 years ago   Dec 15, '13 5:12pm  
@macdaddy
 
You didn't answer my question. When we blame Bush you say we shouldn't because the president is responsible for everything that goes on in his term. Why would that suddenly change? Or do you change your opinion based upon what is more convenient for your philosophy? Do you think it's fair or not to blame a past president for a present president's failures/situation?
 
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Nik,
 
1) Ease up! MD is just goading you on to get you fired up - and he is doing a good job of it. There have been plenty of good and bad politicians on both sides of the aisle, and he knows it. While MD's statement about not electing Democrats is ridiculous, there is an air of truth to it, because many (or most) or the CURRENT Democrats are pretty much marching in lock-step with each other. And where they are walking to is to places that, at least in current pols, the majority of Americans do not want to go.
2) In my opinion, a President IS responsible for everything that goes on in his term in office. Yes, you can blame Bush (I don't think we should, but you can) for where the economy is. Or who we are at war with. Or with the amount of debt Obama inherited, etc. But, we elected Obama for "change". And when Obama was talking about "change", he knew where the economy was, who we were at war with, and where the debt was. And, if he didn't know it, he should have before he made the claim of "change". Saying that he didn't know what he was getting into is just like saying "If you like your insurance, you can keep it". An uninformed boast, not grounded in anything real.
 
He has the power to improve the economy, he has the power to pull us out of Iraq & Afghanistan, and he has the power to decrease the debt. Instead, he (through his Democratic partners in Congress) has put in programs (like Obamacare) that are hindering the economy and increasing the debt to, in my opinion, pretty much unrecoverable levels.
 
He may not be responsible for where we are when he takes office, but he surely is responsible for where we are going when he leaves!
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nikkiole Active Indicator LED Icon 11 Forum Moderator
~ 10 years ago   Dec 15, '13 5:24pm  
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macdaddy Active Indicator LED Icon 14
~ 10 years ago   Dec 15, '13 5:29pm  
Lol.... You never blamed bush.....
 
Bahahahahahahaha
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nikkiole Active Indicator LED Icon 11 Forum Moderator
~ 10 years ago   Dec 15, '13 5:32pm  
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macdaddy Active Indicator LED Icon 14
~ 10 years ago   Dec 15, '13 6:14pm  
I reads good
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~ 10 years ago   Dec 15, '13 6:16pm  
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EddyFree Active Indicator LED Icon 11
~ 10 years ago   Dec 15, '13 7:20pm  
Unfortunately, I DON'T think he knew. I think he is just that out of touch with what he was/is promoting.

The President probably didn't realize there would be that many people "happy with" keeping policies that don't meet minimum standards...He was wrong because people buy JUNK all the time(see MADE IN CHINA) and insurance is no exception so that was his oversight(thinking people would want a better option instead of the cheaper option)...
 
Since no one was allowed to read the bill before it was passed into law ("You can read it after you pass it" - Nancy Pelosi), no one really knew what was going to happen.

Another one of those "gotcha quotes" that is taken out of context...First off, the quote was "we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it"...If you're going to quote, let's quote instead of paraphrasing(and bad paraphrasing at that)...See how distorted your version is? And she meant that there was so much misinformation being spread about the contents of the bill that the truth would only be known once the bill was passed...Also keep in mind that bills are constantly being debated and undergoing revisions through that process so you really never know what their full contents will be until they are passed anyway...
 
No one bothered to consult with the insurance companies to see how they would react.

All major players(insurance companies, medical institutions, big pharma, etc.) have been at the table for years ironing this all out...Believe it or not, politicians don't just sit around a table and come up with all this stuff themselves, they rely on people and groups much more informed than they are to brainstorm the issues and come up with solutions...
 
No one checked to see what would happen if the number of people signing up did not hit the numbers they expected. No one checked to see how long it would take to set up a website that could handle the volume of hits it is getting. They were so focused on stuffing nationalized health care down the throats of America, no one bothered to see if it would work.

But you haven't even given it a chance yet Emoticon...Don't chop it down before it even starts to grow! You should water it a bit and see what happens...Emoticon
 
I truly believe that, after Congress steps in and retracts significant portions of the health care bill that cannot work, this entire episode will become a mandatory case study in universities around the world in how NOT to create legislation!

And then we will be back to square one with exploding medical costs with no solution in sight...Universities will be offering classes on what happens when you ignore those issues as a part of it's HISTORY program focused on why America is no longer a superpower....
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macdaddy Active Indicator LED Icon 14
~ 10 years ago   Dec 15, '13 7:48pm  
How can you spin this...
 
If you like your plan, you can keep your plan...
 
PERIOD
 
IF YOU LIKE YOUR DOCTOR.... You can keep your doctor....
 
PERIOD
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