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Parents and the law 2 Nine year olds-You should read this

Parents and the law 2 Nine year olds-You should read this

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by: Posterguy Active Indicator LED Icon 16 OP 
~ 9 years ago   Aug 30, '14 12:51pm  
A little long ,but well worth the read and something to really think about.
 
A Tale of Two 9-Year-Olds: The One on the Playground, and the One With an Uzi
 
You should be absolutely terrified that a 9-year-old’s constitutional right to fire an Uzi trumps your right to decide at what age your kids can play at the park unsupervised
 
Parents who allow their 9-year-old to play unsupervised at a playground can be arrested, but handing a nine-year-old an Uzi is perfectly acceptable.
 
Unfortunately, that’s not hyperbole. It’s just the sad state of affairs in which we find ourselves, after a 9-year-old New Jersey girl accidentally shot and killed her instructor at a firing range in Arizona. The girl’s parents paid for her to fire a fully automatic machine gun, but she lost control of the weapon and shot her instructor, Charles Vacca, killing the military veteran.
 
The chilling ordeal was caught on tape, courtesy of the girl’s parents, but Arizona police officials have said no charges will be filed or arrests made. The Mohave County Sheriff’s Office concluded the incident was an “industrial accident,” and have contacted the Occupational Safety and Health Administration to investigate, according to published reports.
 
Let’s compare that to a story from earlier this summer, regarding a different 9-year-old, one in South Carolina.
 
Debra Harrell is a working mother who faces a common problem for parents when school lets out for the summer: finding affordable child care. The McDonald’s employee couldn’t afford to have someone watch her 9-year-old daughter, so the girl was playing on her laptop in the restaurant during her mother’s shifts. However, when that laptop was stolen from their home, Harrell armed her daughter with a cell phone in case of an emergency and let her go unsupervised to an area playground. Another parent noticed the girl there alone and contacted the police, at which point Harrell was arrested and charged with child neglect. If convicted, she faces up to 10 years behind bars.
 
Is anyone else absolutely scared to death of the horrendous message we’re sending to parents?
 
Regarding the incident in Arizona, we’re talking about two parents who willingly paid $200 to put a fully automatic weapon in the hands of their 9-year-old daughter. This poor girl, who should’ve been learning to shoot with a .22 rifle or some other weapon she could handle (if indeed she had to learn to fire a gun) was given an Uzi capable of firing up to 600 rounds per minute—creating a recoil difficult for some adults to handle.
 
And the scariest part? The firing range has a minimum age of eight years old to fire such weapons – one year younger than the girl who is now surely scarred for life. The terrible judgment of the New Jersey parents (combined with the operators of the firing range to allow kids that young to fire Uzis) directly contributed to a man’s death. That stands in stark contrast to Harrell’s troubles in South Carolina.
 
Instead of a loaded weapon, Harrell armed her daughter with a phone, and sent her to a playground with lots of other kids and adults. The only shooting that took place was the cool water from a splash pad and some hoops on the basketball courts. There were even volunteers who came by the playground with free snacks. While perhaps not ideal since Harrell was at work, she sent her daughter to a family-friendly place with an environment geared toward fun and summertime frivolity. The same kind of place I routinely rode my bike to at the age of nine.
 
Yet Harrell is the one arrested. Who lost her job. Who spent 17 days in jail, temporarily lost custody of her daughter, and faces 10 years in prison.
 
So, when considering charges for the neglect of a child, playgrounds seem to be a greater threat in the eyes of the law than guns. And that is a travesty.
 
Wherever you fall in this country’s ongoing debate about guns and gun control, this should upset you. It should infuriate you. It should alert you to our disturbingly warped gun culture, and should be more than enough proof that change is desperately needed. And parents, let me state this unequivocally: It is never acceptable to let your 9-year-old fire an Uzi. Never. Under any circumstances.
 
Harrell’s detractors claim someone could’ve kidnapped her daughter at the playground, which is true. But while there is a low risk of child abduction at a public playground in broad daylight, it pales in comparison to the risks involved with letting a 9-year-old fire a machine gun. So please stop referencing the 2nd amendment, because I’m certain our Founding Fathers weren’t contemplating the benefits of letting children fire hundreds of rounds per minute when they drafted the right to bear arms.
 
If you’re a parent, you should be absolutely terrified that a 9-year-old’s constitutional right to fire an Uzi trumps your right to decide at what age your kids can play at the park unsupervised.
 
Something has to change. Now.
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Humbletexan1 Active Indicator LED Icon 1
~ 9 years ago   Aug 30, '14 3:39pm  
Really makes you think. The mother who let her daughter play at the playground was doing the best she could and was working to feed her family. Not relying on welfare. The other parents may not get jail time but they will get years of torment over the incident. I hope they get counseling for that girl. She will live with the fact she killed a man. Sad stories all the way around. I believe gun ranges need to re-visit the age issue for firing high powered weapons.
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BusyMommy Active Indicator LED Icon 14
~ 9 years ago   Aug 30, '14 4:52pm  
I don't understand why someone would call the police. I would have offered to help supervise the child while the mother worked, not call the police. Crazy.
 
I went to the park with friends starting at age 7, without a cell phone.
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tb505 Active Indicator LED Icon 11
~ 9 years ago   Aug 30, '14 11:04pm  
At the age, I rode a bike to school, went to the park, want to the movies, friends homes, etc. without a cell phone.
This is ridiculous.
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BusyMommy Active Indicator LED Icon 14
~ 9 years ago   Aug 30, '14 11:08pm  
If society has a problem with 9 year olds being safe, shouldn't we lock away child predators FOREVER before we lock up parents who let their kids go to the park?
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HumbleGirl Active Indicator LED Icon 14
~ 9 years ago   Aug 31, '14 11:07am  
I had a parent freak out on me because her boyfriend left her 8yo son at my house with my almost 14yo while we went to dinner. She doesn't feel 13/14 is old enough to babysit for a couple hours during dinner. People have different opinions about age requirements, and the police don't have solid rules around it either. There is also the matter of maturity of the child. My eldest, I allowed him to do a lot more at a younger age. My littlest - nope. He is the most demanding child, wants everyone to do everything for him and has no interest in being taught to do stuff on his own. He's like "nah, you just do it". Lol he's a nut!
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sandman Active Indicator LED Icon 16
~ 9 years ago   Aug 31, '14 11:23am  
This story (McDonald's mom) is just plain stupid. But that's the world envisioned by the statists... Remember when MSNBC's Melissa Harris-Perry said that "kids belong to whole communities"? Well, that's what they want... so the decision on whether or not your child can go to the park along ain't yours anymore...
 
Now, what does the other 9 year-old has to do with this story? Right, it's just for shock value... otherwise the MSNBC conditioned crowds will just say "oh, but that is totally right, the McDonald's mom is been so irresponsible."
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HumbleGirl Active Indicator LED Icon 14
~ 9 years ago   Aug 31, '14 11:25am  
This story (McDonald's mom) is just plain stupid. But that's the world envisioned by the statists... Remember when MSNBC's Melissa Harris-Perry said that "kids belong to whole communities"? Well, that's what they want... so the decision on whether or not your child can go to the park along ain't yours anymore...
 
Now, what does the other 9 year-old has to do with this story? Right, it's just for shock value... otherwise the MSNBC conditioned crowds will just say "oh, but that is totally right, the McDonald's mom is been so irresponsible."
 
@sandman:
 
I actually agree with you here. The comparisons drawn are lame. Two completely differnt scenarios.
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Posterguy Active Indicator LED Icon 16 OP 
~ 9 years ago   Aug 31, '14 1:00pm  
I think the authors point is one mother faces legal consequences for letting her 9 yr. old go to the park and the other parents none for letting their 9 yr. old shoot a machine gun. The parents of the 9 yr. old who ended up shooting the instructor will suffer along with the daughter so my opinion is no punishment is warranted. Also I do not feel she is responsible for the loss of control of the weapon.The point is what happened at the gun range according to the laws on the books is perfectly legal, but the mom letting the girl go to the park is apparently not.
 
So should 9 yr. olds be allowed to shot machine guns,but not be allowed to go to the park without mommy or daddy?
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sandman Active Indicator LED Icon 16
~ 9 years ago   Aug 31, '14 1:18pm  
Like it or not, the 9 year-old shooter, was doing this under the supervision of a qualified instructor who made at least two critical mistakes that cost him his life.
 
Again, the article is just written in a way to shock... but the situations aren't nearly comparable.
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Posterguy Active Indicator LED Icon 16 OP 
~ 9 years ago   Aug 31, '14 1:25pm  
Sandman that is the point, what she (girl at gun range) was doing was legal but the other girl went to the park alone and that is considered neglect and apparently illegal. These are facts, not just a story, that is what is truly shocking.
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~ 9 years ago   Aug 31, '14 1:27pm  
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Posterguy Active Indicator LED Icon 16 OP 
~ 9 years ago   Aug 31, '14 1:37pm  
Are 9 year olds kidnapped from parks alot? When can a child go to the park alone? Dang my mother she would sometimes drop me at the park probably by age 9. Sometimes I think she let me ride my bike too.And in those days all we had for communication was smoke signals.This girl had a cellphone,so if someone was creepin her out she could press a couple of buttons.I would have to gather wood,pull out my trusty magnifying glass and wait , it could take hours before I could send the smoke signals.
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~ 9 years ago   Aug 31, '14 1:43pm  
Overcomplication at its finest. First, be a parent who is knowleageable about gun safety, and prefarably be a parent who not only has taken a hunter's safety education course but also only be the one to teach your kids firearm safety. As for the burger flipping mother, practice safe sex or hit the books harder to boost the ol GPA and cram like crazy for the SAT or ACT.
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~ 9 years ago   Aug 31, '14 2:05pm  
what?? ^^^
 
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Posterguy Active Indicator LED Icon 16 OP 
~ 9 years ago   Aug 31, '14 2:10pm  
Wow that failed to address an important issue. So the gun rights advocates do not want the government mandating things such as 9 year olds can not shot MG's( the age is 8 to be able to this), but a parent can not look at the situation of when to allow a child to go to the park alone and make that decision and not be subject to neglect charges.
HG made a good point one child can be more responsible and therefore allowed more freedom and responsibility and others may need supervision constantly.
So does the parent or the state get to determine,( and remember the child was 9 who went to the park alone and not 5), these things.
 
9 ok to shoot MG but not to go to park alone?
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